Why We Need Government-Run Universal Socialized Health Insurance
Wednesday, December 9th, 2009 at
7:04 pm
engio asked:
A cartoon explanation of why we need a public health insurance option. If you agree that a public option should be part of the health care reform bill, make sure you let your representatives know! And take action at www.YoungInvincibles.org Animated by Andy Lubershane. More comics at http Note: The data in this cartoon is supported by this report: www.ourfuture.org which includes a lot more detail on current proposals for a public option.
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So you really think a Pay-and-Die system would be better than the current “Pay-or-Die” system? I’d rather be able to pay and opt out of death than pay and still die due to inadequate care anyway. No one has a “right” to survive cancer, just as no one has a right to a Cadillac. It’s just that some people can afford it and others can’t. Further, I do not say who lives and who dies. If you earn enough money for good healthcare, you decide your own fate. What’s wrong is the theft you’re espousing.
I did not igrnore your point. Your point is just wrong. Health care is not an essential service. And your last sentence is very telling. This is not about Health Care. This is about people like you who hate this country. You have said you would rather live somewhere else, and since you can’t afford to do so, you are attempt to change this country from what makes it great to a society that better matches other places, like Canada. If you could, I’m sure you’d make it identical to the USSR.
What planet are you from? So what you’re saying is that our Pay-or-Die system is just fine and dandy. The rich have a right to survive cancer etc., but the poor don’t. That’s the system we have now. The insurance company racketeers and people like you have the right to say who lives and dies. Sorry but that is just morally wrong.
You completely ignored my point. Healthcare is an essential service too. And I would move to Canada if I could afford it. But it would be easier if people here would just wake up, join the 21st century and stop living in the stone age.
But I just think that having the government runs things seems to go against the what the Founding Fathers intended. We became a country because of a government that governed too much, why are we allowing our own government to do the same?
Equally, when the government collects the same number of tax dollars regardless of quality of service, how great do you think that will be. Even if prices are lowered, which they won’t be, then we will be paying for Pinto’s instead of Cadillacs. Yes a Cadillac costs more, but Pinto’s routinely catch on fire. Is it really better to die because you can’t afford treatment, or because your health care (metaphorically) caught on fire? Most life saving treatments will go away.
Yes the free market DOES work in everything it’s applied to. Health care is exactly like Grocery Shopping. Who says you can’t decide to forego treatment? And you can forego food more so than Health Care? Where’s the free market in that? Are you serious? The free market is in that in people buying what they can afford. That’s exactly what the free market is. Are you reading what you type. Without those hundreds of millions, they will not provide quality health care.
Grocery stores are an essential service -when will that be free also? Sorry, socialized medicine ***** and you guys know it. Ever since Hillary care failed, our sacred politicians/lawyers have manipulated healthcare to bring about a fabricated demise. Basically they have broken our legs and are now telling us that only they have the crutches to help us! Here’s an idea… you want government run healthcare? -Move to Canada
No the free market DOESN’T work in everything it’s applied to. Health care isn’t like going grocery shopping. If you get a life-threatening illness, you can’t just decide to forego treatment. If you can’t afford it, well you just go bankrupt and still owe the insurance racketeers, or die. Where’s the so-called free market in that? You say that insurance companies don’t commit theft? Even though their rates have risen way faster than wages and inflation & their CEOs make hundreds of millions/yr?
It is simply put, a lie, to say there is no rationing of Medicare. So I guess you are right in saying “there would be no “rationing” of services with single-payer health care, just as there is no rationing with Medicare” because there would be rationing in both. The claim that insurance companies commit theft is stupid and unsubstantiated. The free market works in everything is applied to. It is not surprising that someone who doesn’t belive in capitalism thinks the free market doesn’t work.
You’re making up a hypothetical out of thin air. As long as we have doctors there would be no “rationing” of services with single-payer health care, just as there is no rationing with Medicare. We do have rationing RIGHT NOW because of the artificial price gouging by the health insurance gangsters who get away with grand theft. The free market doesn’t work in health care, and the current broken, unsustainable situation speaks for itself.
That is called a free-market. However when there is a limited amount of goods/services offered by the Government, and they therefore selectively decide who can and who can not have those goods/services, that is called rationing.
Everything in your post is correct, right up until the word “Except.”
That’s right, Eziekiel. The “rationing” is done by the private sector…the American Health Insurance Racket Industry. See the vid MAHD Day 7 Denver Fear of Rationing. When only the rich can afford health care, that’s rationing.
Perfectly put engio, thanks for posting. 5 stars and favorited. Medicare Part E now!
This video is awesome.
Actually, a lot of our doctors go south, but recent stats show that they’re coming back up.
Except there’s no such thing as public sector rationing or death panels.
I applaud this video.
No, you have public sector style rationing of care and public sector death panels…
Totalitarian- Absolute control by the state or a governing branch of a highly centralized institution. Fits pretty well, dumbass.
I think my State (not as in United States, but as in political form of a nation), is great when it runs as it is supposed to. However when an individual Government in this State tries to copy other failing Governments, I think they suck. When you copy something that sucks, you tend to suck.
I have not ignored a single claim you have made. That’s a lie.
I know Canada lacks doctors nobody want’s to become a doctor the pay is not the greatest in Canada for all you have to deal with.
Except, while we might pay higher taxes, we also live a higher standard of living. We also don’t have private sector style rationing of care or private sector death panels.
What we do lack are nurses, and proper funding.
Love your video, dude. don’t let the haters get you down.
the amount of fallacies and assumptions in this video is mindboggling. so much so that a sincere debate cannot be waged using it as a primer. false, false and false.